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		<title>By: R. H. Lambertsen, Ph.D., V.M.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. H. Lambertsen, Ph.D., V.M.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Inasmuch as all conjecture above is incorrect, permit me to give you a clue.

If you can simultaneously &quot;explain&quot; why humpack whales, Megaptera novaeangliae, are characterized by extremely long pectoral flippers, carry armament in the form of barnacle patches on their chins and on tuberosities on this pectoral flippers, and have disproptionately thick blubber compared with balaenopters, you will get the answer.

As encouragement, be assured that the resultant equation of constraint is more than interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inasmuch as all conjecture above is incorrect, permit me to give you a clue.</p>
<p>If you can simultaneously &#8220;explain&#8221; why humpack whales, Megaptera novaeangliae, are characterized by extremely long pectoral flippers, carry armament in the form of barnacle patches on their chins and on tuberosities on this pectoral flippers, and have disproptionately thick blubber compared with balaenopters, you will get the answer.</p>
<p>As encouragement, be assured that the resultant equation of constraint is more than interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: ResearchBlogging.org News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Editor&#8217;s Selections: MPAs and Urbanization, Nice Water Striders Finish First, and Superwhales</title>
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		<dc:creator>ResearchBlogging.org News &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Editor&#8217;s Selections: MPAs and Urbanization, Nice Water Striders Finish First, and Superwhales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 15:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] And finally, Dr. M asks, why are there no superwhales? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dr. M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt and Stella
While I I do understand that viewing contemporary life is simply a snapshot in time, I don&#039;t think it is fruitless to speculate or research why things are the current size they are.  All of these are exercises on what limits size.  Modern life bears the signature of evolution past and thus questions about current forms are rich with insight  (e.g. McClain and Boyer 2009 in Royal Society Proc B).  

Current estimates put the split of blue whales at ~15 +/- 3 Ma and the split of Baleen whales at ~23  +/- 2.5 Ma (Sasaki et al. 2005).  Either 15 or 5 Ma is a pretty long time for a increase in size to occur?  There are multiple studies showing rapid changes in size over mere decades (Huey and Gilchrist) to thousands of years (Smith et al. 1995).  Granted the examples come from species much smaller but there is no indication that it is easier for a small organism to increase its size compared to a large one. There is also little evidence of major shifts in size in the last 20 million years (http://www.nceas.ucsb.edu/~alroy/Paleocene.html). Nonetheless a ripe area of research with many outstanding questions.  

Also consider that whales are simply one example, but there is evidence from multiple phyla that morphological extremes are reached very early in a clades history, often indicating constraints on form.  

@ Stella
Indeed oxygen is important for the size of life see the paper I coauthored in PNAS with colleagues at http://www.pnas.org/content/106/1/24.abstract that provides a long term and broad taxonomic perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt and Stella<br />
While I I do understand that viewing contemporary life is simply a snapshot in time, I don&#8217;t think it is fruitless to speculate or research why things are the current size they are.  All of these are exercises on what limits size.  Modern life bears the signature of evolution past and thus questions about current forms are rich with insight  (e.g. McClain and Boyer 2009 in Royal Society Proc B).  </p>
<p>Current estimates put the split of blue whales at ~15 +/- 3 Ma and the split of Baleen whales at ~23  +/- 2.5 Ma (Sasaki et al. 2005).  Either 15 or 5 Ma is a pretty long time for a increase in size to occur?  There are multiple studies showing rapid changes in size over mere decades (Huey and Gilchrist) to thousands of years (Smith et al. 1995).  Granted the examples come from species much smaller but there is no indication that it is easier for a small organism to increase its size compared to a large one. There is also little evidence of major shifts in size in the last 20 million years (<a href="http://www.nceas.ucsb.edu/~alroy/Paleocene.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nceas.ucsb.edu/~alroy/Paleocene.html</a>). Nonetheless a ripe area of research with many outstanding questions.  </p>
<p>Also consider that whales are simply one example, but there is evidence from multiple phyla that morphological extremes are reached very early in a clades history, often indicating constraints on form.  </p>
<p>@ Stella<br />
Indeed oxygen is important for the size of life see the paper I coauthored in PNAS with colleagues at <a href="http://www.pnas.org/content/106/1/24.abstract" rel="nofollow">http://www.pnas.org/content/106/1/24.abstract</a> that provides a long term and broad taxonomic perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Wedel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Wedel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quick question: why do we think that whales are done getting big? Blues and fins have been around for maybe 5 million years tops, and the biggest known whales of all time are blues caught in the 20th century. We might be catching the biggest rorquals in the act of getting even bigger--but there&#039;s no way to know without a time machine that goes forward, or extreme patience and a few million years&#039; worth of funding. So it seems fruitless to speculate about what is limiting the size of big whales when we don&#039;t have any evidence that they have maxed out yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick question: why do we think that whales are done getting big? Blues and fins have been around for maybe 5 million years tops, and the biggest known whales of all time are blues caught in the 20th century. We might be catching the biggest rorquals in the act of getting even bigger&#8211;but there&#8217;s no way to know without a time machine that goes forward, or extreme patience and a few million years&#8217; worth of funding. So it seems fruitless to speculate about what is limiting the size of big whales when we don&#8217;t have any evidence that they have maxed out yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Aeolius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aeolius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>perhaps if the blue whales dined upon giant isopods....    ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>perhaps if the blue whales dined upon giant isopods&#8230;.    ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm J. Brenner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm J. Brenner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 12:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Undoubtedly if there were, we&#039;d have hunted them to extinction by now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Undoubtedly if there were, we&#8217;d have hunted them to extinction by now.</p>
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		<title>By: stella muir</title>
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		<dc:creator>stella muir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 09:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>during certain periods in the planets early history, the earth had much higher density of oxygen allowing for such things as ten feet long centipedes, i would think that, what your question lacks is a longer perspective, whales are still evolving and getting bigger compared to fossil records.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>during certain periods in the planets early history, the earth had much higher density of oxygen allowing for such things as ten feet long centipedes, i would think that, what your question lacks is a longer perspective, whales are still evolving and getting bigger compared to fossil records.</p>
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