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		<title>By: DSN&#8217;s 7 Simple Rules for Marine Conservation Expedition Safety &#124; Deep Sea News</title>
		<link>http://deepseanews.com/2009/02/sea-shepard-only-making-matters-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-9038</link>
		<dc:creator>DSN&#8217;s 7 Simple Rules for Marine Conservation Expedition Safety &#124; Deep Sea News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 03:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] whale deaths for fame and fortune, has little to no respect in the conservation community, and seriously endangers the lives of other people in one of the most dangerous working [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] whale deaths for fame and fortune, has little to no respect in the conservation community, and seriously endangers the lives of other people in one of the most dangerous working [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Best of DSN 2009 &#124; Deep Sea News</title>
		<link>http://deepseanews.com/2009/02/sea-shepard-only-making-matters-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-8788</link>
		<dc:creator>The Best of DSN 2009 &#124; Deep Sea News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] all the ways we love Sea Sheperd (Pt. 1 and Pt. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] all the ways we love Sea Sheperd (Pt. 1 and Pt. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: We Get Mail &#8211; Sea Sheppard Shenanigans Edition &#124; Deep Sea News</title>
		<link>http://deepseanews.com/2009/02/sea-shepard-only-making-matters-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-8068</link>
		<dc:creator>We Get Mail &#8211; Sea Sheppard Shenanigans Edition &#124; Deep Sea News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] us and expressing their opinions. Ad hominem attacks not so much.  There is no doubt that our Sea Shepard post has energized a certain contingent.  What continues to bother me is that people believe certain [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] us and expressing their opinions. Ad hominem attacks not so much.  There is no doubt that our Sea Shepard post has energized a certain contingent.  What continues to bother me is that people believe certain [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Let The Whales Die &#124; Deep Sea News</title>
		<link>http://deepseanews.com/2009/02/sea-shepard-only-making-matters-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-6161</link>
		<dc:creator>Let The Whales Die &#124; Deep Sea News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 01:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] makes one contemplate previous reactions to posts here, Diving With Sharks, and Southern Fried Scientist, on Sea Shepard.  Regardless of your opinion on [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] makes one contemplate previous reactions to posts here, Diving With Sharks, and Southern Fried Scientist, on Sea Shepard.  Regardless of your opinion on [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sunday Links: Who mocks the Watchmen? &#171; The Oyster&#8217;s Garter</title>
		<link>http://deepseanews.com/2009/02/sea-shepard-only-making-matters-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-5723</link>
		<dc:creator>Sunday Links: Who mocks the Watchmen? &#171; The Oyster&#8217;s Garter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in the Antarctic? (You can tell how I feel about that.) What about sharks? Dr. M at Deep Sea News discusses the ship-ramming incident  (though the discussion ends in foul sockpuppetery) and WhySharksMatter [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in the Antarctic? (You can tell how I feel about that.) What about sharks? Dr. M at Deep Sea News discusses the ship-ramming incident  (though the discussion ends in foul sockpuppetery) and WhySharksMatter [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Is Sea Sheppard Good or Bad for Sharks? &#124; Deep Sea News</title>
		<link>http://deepseanews.com/2009/02/sea-shepard-only-making-matters-worse/comment-page-1/#comment-5653</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Sea Sheppard Good or Bad for Sharks? &#124; Deep Sea News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] has a good post continuing the discussion started by Dr. M here on Deep Sea News. While Dr. M focused on their tactic of ramming ships, David (a shark biologist) asks whether the work of Sea Sheppard has been effective at all for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] has a good post continuing the discussion started by Dr. M here on Deep Sea News. While Dr. M focused on their tactic of ramming ships, David (a shark biologist) asks whether the work of Sea Sheppard has been effective at all for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Zelnio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Zelnio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 04:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m calling Sock Puppetry and closing this thread. If there is one thing I hate is people changing their name to give the false appearance of a majority. This is common among pseudo-science proponents and other people who have nothing on their plate. Not an argument, nor a leg to stand on. It is absolutely pathetic.

For the record, the following individuals shared the same IP address and/or email login:
Mike L. Keene
Johnny Perrine
Imforthewhales
Gleninwoodthesecond</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m calling Sock Puppetry and closing this thread. If there is one thing I hate is people changing their name to give the false appearance of a majority. This is common among pseudo-science proponents and other people who have nothing on their plate. Not an argument, nor a leg to stand on. It is absolutely pathetic.</p>
<p>For the record, the following individuals shared the same IP address and/or email login:<br />
Mike L. Keene<br />
Johnny Perrine<br />
Imforthewhales<br />
Gleninwoodthesecond</p>
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		<title>By: ConservationistRepublican</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConservationistRepublican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 03:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The commenter above that brought up the Boston Tea Party actually said it all.

In regards to methods, Sea Shepherd is essentially honoring the same tradition, and using essentially similar methods.

There was a group of protesters, tired of a certain ships, operated by an unfair company supported by a foreign government, entering their waters, and trying to pull a fast one skirting the rules.

The small band of protestes went and ruined that ships cargo, they staged a boarding, they agitated, they assaulted the ships, they destroyed their products, they struck at night, they dumped 90 thousand pounds of merchandise into the ocean, they cost them what (today) would be around 1 million dollars, broke open casks and crates, rendering their products useless, and hurt them financially as well as boarding their ship.

This is known as the Boston Tea Party, and this then ignited the spark that lead to what we now know as the AMERICAN REVOLUTION, and resulted in the formation UNITED STATES of AMERICA!

Lord North, and the East India tea company who operated the vessels, and others from the sidelines supporting Britain reacted and whinged in similar fasion to this, and decried it and even tried to pass the &quot;Intolerable Acts&quot; through Parliament against the colonists and everything, calling them ne&#039;er do wells and outrageous. However the colonists applauded them. And Today, well today we regard these &quot;protesters&quot; who used actions such as boarding ships and damaging their product as heroes. Heroes of the American Way. They are patriots. People who demanded what was right. And would not stand for it.

Sea Shepherds methods are essentially similar to the acts of great patriots of the United States of America. They are the people who will NOT sit down, and not sit at the back of the bus, and while not hurting any person will make a statement, and board just like the patriots boarded, and render illicit whale product useless just as the heroes destroyed the East India company&#039;s tea. 

One difference though, the ones we call American heroes and patriots of democracy today also carried hatchets. They were armed. Sea Shepherd accomplished everything unarmed without guns or knives. And against a foe which is carrying grenades as well. 

Sea Shepherds methods are not only sound, but honor the spirit of some of the greatest patriots honored in history.

Good for them! I support them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The commenter above that brought up the Boston Tea Party actually said it all.</p>
<p>In regards to methods, Sea Shepherd is essentially honoring the same tradition, and using essentially similar methods.</p>
<p>There was a group of protesters, tired of a certain ships, operated by an unfair company supported by a foreign government, entering their waters, and trying to pull a fast one skirting the rules.</p>
<p>The small band of protestes went and ruined that ships cargo, they staged a boarding, they agitated, they assaulted the ships, they destroyed their products, they struck at night, they dumped 90 thousand pounds of merchandise into the ocean, they cost them what (today) would be around 1 million dollars, broke open casks and crates, rendering their products useless, and hurt them financially as well as boarding their ship.</p>
<p>This is known as the Boston Tea Party, and this then ignited the spark that lead to what we now know as the AMERICAN REVOLUTION, and resulted in the formation UNITED STATES of AMERICA!</p>
<p>Lord North, and the East India tea company who operated the vessels, and others from the sidelines supporting Britain reacted and whinged in similar fasion to this, and decried it and even tried to pass the &#8220;Intolerable Acts&#8221; through Parliament against the colonists and everything, calling them ne&#8217;er do wells and outrageous. However the colonists applauded them. And Today, well today we regard these &#8220;protesters&#8221; who used actions such as boarding ships and damaging their product as heroes. Heroes of the American Way. They are patriots. People who demanded what was right. And would not stand for it.</p>
<p>Sea Shepherds methods are essentially similar to the acts of great patriots of the United States of America. They are the people who will NOT sit down, and not sit at the back of the bus, and while not hurting any person will make a statement, and board just like the patriots boarded, and render illicit whale product useless just as the heroes destroyed the East India company&#8217;s tea. </p>
<p>One difference though, the ones we call American heroes and patriots of democracy today also carried hatchets. They were armed. Sea Shepherd accomplished everything unarmed without guns or knives. And against a foe which is carrying grenades as well. </p>
<p>Sea Shepherds methods are not only sound, but honor the spirit of some of the greatest patriots honored in history.</p>
<p>Good for them! I support them.</p>
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		<title>By: Imforthewhales</title>
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		<dc:creator>Imforthewhales</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 02:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iradiautus....nice patronisation there...your quest seems to be a noble one and your intentions are to be admired. 

However as a teacher i assume that you know all about cause and effect. You may well be teaching 24/7 and you may be online also discussing whaling with others ( as I am ).

however all these efforts are by and large fairly usless when it comes to stopping the school yard bully. You admit that your efforts are by and large, innefective to stop the whaling right now.

Sea Sheperd is down there doing what politicians and Greenpeace refuse to do.

In 1942 Australia didn&#039;t negotiate with the Japanese. Neither did America.

In 20 years time, we can spend millions on negotiations and pay the politicians big bucks to tell us more and more lies ( see Peter Garret) and they will still be killing our whales.  

I want something done right now. I want the killing stopped now ( not in 5, 10, 15 years time) Sea Sheperd is the most effective organisation of its type in the world. They get int he way, save lives and cost the japanese money. Thats all any of us can ask for.     

Your efforts seem to be on a par with years and years of negotiations at IWC meeings witht he Japanese, who counter every effort to stop their commercial whaling with vote buying and lies. They abuse their position just as they did when they were found out telling lies to those responsible for southern blue fin tuna quotas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iradiautus&#8230;.nice patronisation there&#8230;your quest seems to be a noble one and your intentions are to be admired. </p>
<p>However as a teacher i assume that you know all about cause and effect. You may well be teaching 24/7 and you may be online also discussing whaling with others ( as I am ).</p>
<p>however all these efforts are by and large fairly usless when it comes to stopping the school yard bully. You admit that your efforts are by and large, innefective to stop the whaling right now.</p>
<p>Sea Sheperd is down there doing what politicians and Greenpeace refuse to do.</p>
<p>In 1942 Australia didn&#8217;t negotiate with the Japanese. Neither did America.</p>
<p>In 20 years time, we can spend millions on negotiations and pay the politicians big bucks to tell us more and more lies ( see Peter Garret) and they will still be killing our whales.  </p>
<p>I want something done right now. I want the killing stopped now ( not in 5, 10, 15 years time) Sea Sheperd is the most effective organisation of its type in the world. They get int he way, save lives and cost the japanese money. Thats all any of us can ask for.     </p>
<p>Your efforts seem to be on a par with years and years of negotiations at IWC meeings witht he Japanese, who counter every effort to stop their commercial whaling with vote buying and lies. They abuse their position just as they did when they were found out telling lies to those responsible for southern blue fin tuna quotas.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Jennings, AAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>R. Jennings, AAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 02:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the user Irradiatus provides a perfect example. An example of what many people are sick of as far as either doing little, or doing the same old same old, being ineffective, and all talk and no action. And Irradiatus provides a prime instance of exactly what many people are unimpressed with, and want to avoid. In contrast, the Sea Shepherd group which actually went out and saved actual lives of whales, stood up to them, didn&#039;t just sit &quot;online&quot;, but actually did something, is what many people are desiring now. Sea Shepherd got results. And they succeeded in saving actual whales. Thousands of them. And that is what  many people like.

Sea Shepherd (and their members and supporters) already do all of those things mentioned mentioned by the Irradiatus user but do more, Sea Shepherd educates, gives talks, works with teachers, scientists, lawmakers, politicians, reaches people online, SSCS works with law enforcement, works with the military, Sea Shepherd has US Federal Agents on staff, sea shepherd raises media awareness, and Sea Shepherd has not only gotten everyone talking about it, but has gotten the topic to be the subject of an entire tv series, they got entire countries to ban the Japanese from docking, and enforced laws, and have contributed to getting legislation passed, worked with officials, environment ministers of entire nations (some of which even went on to join Sea Shepherd staff after that, the Australian Environment minister is now onboard Sea Shepherd!) and as for the illegal whalers, Sea Shepherd actually had the cojones to get out there and stand up to them. This is what many people want.

As to their methods, Sea Shepherd is effective. And not only covers everything that other user does, but succeeds many times more, even setting back the Japanese illegal whaling corporation and putting them in the hole, costing them millions of dollars in losses. Quite effective. Not only challenged them using vessels, but routed them financially.

So this is a perfect example! Thanks for posting that. Sea Shepherd members see that SSCS is effective, and many people are tired of exactly the type of things that the user Irradiatus posted as being insufficient, not enough, and ineffective. 

Effective and Direct Action accomplished by Sea Shepherd is exactly the reason many people desire to support Sea Shepherd and really enjoy becoming donors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the user Irradiatus provides a perfect example. An example of what many people are sick of as far as either doing little, or doing the same old same old, being ineffective, and all talk and no action. And Irradiatus provides a prime instance of exactly what many people are unimpressed with, and want to avoid. In contrast, the Sea Shepherd group which actually went out and saved actual lives of whales, stood up to them, didn&#8217;t just sit &#8220;online&#8221;, but actually did something, is what many people are desiring now. Sea Shepherd got results. And they succeeded in saving actual whales. Thousands of them. And that is what  many people like.</p>
<p>Sea Shepherd (and their members and supporters) already do all of those things mentioned mentioned by the Irradiatus user but do more, Sea Shepherd educates, gives talks, works with teachers, scientists, lawmakers, politicians, reaches people online, SSCS works with law enforcement, works with the military, Sea Shepherd has US Federal Agents on staff, sea shepherd raises media awareness, and Sea Shepherd has not only gotten everyone talking about it, but has gotten the topic to be the subject of an entire tv series, they got entire countries to ban the Japanese from docking, and enforced laws, and have contributed to getting legislation passed, worked with officials, environment ministers of entire nations (some of which even went on to join Sea Shepherd staff after that, the Australian Environment minister is now onboard Sea Shepherd!) and as for the illegal whalers, Sea Shepherd actually had the cojones to get out there and stand up to them. This is what many people want.</p>
<p>As to their methods, Sea Shepherd is effective. And not only covers everything that other user does, but succeeds many times more, even setting back the Japanese illegal whaling corporation and putting them in the hole, costing them millions of dollars in losses. Quite effective. Not only challenged them using vessels, but routed them financially.</p>
<p>So this is a perfect example! Thanks for posting that. Sea Shepherd members see that SSCS is effective, and many people are tired of exactly the type of things that the user Irradiatus posted as being insufficient, not enough, and ineffective. </p>
<p>Effective and Direct Action accomplished by Sea Shepherd is exactly the reason many people desire to support Sea Shepherd and really enjoy becoming donors.</p>
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