Comments on: This Post Might Make You Cry http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/ All the news on the Earth's largest environment. Tue, 22 May 2012 14:59:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Hank Roberts http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/comment-page-1/#comment-3809 Hank Roberts Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:23:41 +0000 http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/#comment-3809 > in order to make the "I'm a really good person" American > feel better Is that you, Gerard? Time to write "Tragedy of the Invaded Commons" I guess. > in order to make the “I’m a really good person” American
> feel better

Is that you, Gerard?

Time to write “Tragedy of the Invaded Commons” I guess.

]]> By: yogi-one http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/comment-page-1/#comment-3808 yogi-one Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:33:07 +0000 http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/#comment-3808 <i>I don't like packaging conservation messages in the negative but I fail to see any good spin for this. </i> Yup. There comes a time when plastering a fake happy face over the reality doesn't work anymore. Unfortunately, we're there. I don’t like packaging conservation messages in the negative but I fail to see any good spin for this.

Yup. There comes a time when plastering a fake happy face over the reality doesn’t work anymore.

Unfortunately, we’re there.

]]> By: Ashwin http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/comment-page-1/#comment-3807 Ashwin Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:30:25 +0000 http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/#comment-3807 There were asteroids. There were climatic variations. Then, there were humans. There were asteroids.
There were climatic variations.
Then, there were humans.

]]> By: vanderleun http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/comment-page-1/#comment-3806 vanderleun Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:44:15 +0000 http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/#comment-3806 Probably the case. No reason for the cultures and countries of the rest of the world, especially the developing world, to accept less in order to make the "I'm a really good person" Americans feel better. Probably the case. No reason for the cultures and countries of the rest of the world, especially the developing world, to accept less in order to make the “I’m a really good person” Americans feel better.

]]> By: Hank Roberts http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/comment-page-1/#comment-3805 Hank Roberts Sat, 16 Aug 2008 04:00:19 +0000 http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/#comment-3805 I was talking to a fellow who fishes commercially (small boat, longline) -- he says there are big factory ships just over 100 miles west of California taking in three tons of a desired species and throwing away fifty tons of dead "bycatch" over and over til they fill their holds, then sailing west, and that it's not news because there's no point worrying the American people since they're outside the territorial limit. Dunno, I haven't been there. What's going on that you all who do go to sea can tell us about? Don't assume we know diddly. I was talking to a fellow who fishes commercially (small boat, longline) — he says there are big factory ships just over 100 miles west of California taking in three tons of a desired species and throwing away fifty tons of dead “bycatch” over and over til they fill their holds, then sailing west, and that it’s not news because there’s no point worrying the American people since they’re outside the territorial limit.

Dunno, I haven’t been there. What’s going on that you all who do go to sea can tell us about? Don’t assume we know diddly.

]]> By: Andrew http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/comment-page-1/#comment-3804 Andrew Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:50:07 +0000 http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/#comment-3804 There is also what I describe as a wilful ignorance also in operation. Not that long ago, down here in New Zealand, the head of one of our big fishing companies wrote in the industry magazine that 'bottom trawling enhanced the environment'. There is also what I describe as a wilful ignorance also in operation. Not that long ago, down here in New Zealand, the head of one of our big fishing companies wrote in the industry magazine that ‘bottom trawling enhanced the environment’.

]]> By: tidal http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/comment-page-1/#comment-3803 tidal Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:42:28 +0000 http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/#comment-3803 Two of Dr. Jackson's recent seminars are up on youtube, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX9uvyF58U0" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qX9uvyF58U0" rel="nofollow">here</a>. A lot of overlap with the PNAS paper, but I still find that "Table 1" above the most stark portrayal of the problem. Two of Dr. Jackson’s recent seminars are up on youtube, here and here. A lot of overlap with the PNAS paper, but I still find that “Table 1″ above the most stark portrayal of the problem.

]]> By: Michael Tobis http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/comment-page-1/#comment-3802 Michael Tobis Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:13:17 +0000 http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/#comment-3802 Jeremy Jackson did a talk at the Geophysics department at U of Chicago a couple of years back when I was there; he is collaborating with someone there on I don't recall what. He basically told this story, and I have been recovering from the shock since. The oddest part of his presentation was when he congratulated the climate scientists in the room for our success (!) in getting the word out about our problems and our effectiveness (!) in influencing policy. Ray P. was there and spoke for the rest of us that we didn't feel all that successful or effective. But by comparison to the greenhouse problem, the problem of the death of the ocean remains essentially invisible. I have never agreed with Gore that global warming is the defining issue of our time. It's only a facet of the sustainability question. The oceans are another place where we can hide our impact from ourselves. Apparently, with great success. The years when I was able to attend the U of C geophysics Friday talk series was the most amazing series of lectures I have been privileged to attend, but Jackson's was a standout. I think he received vigorous applause but you sort of wonder what to do with information like that. Jeremy Jackson did a talk at the Geophysics department at U of Chicago a couple of years back when I was there; he is collaborating with someone there on I don’t recall what.

He basically told this story, and I have been recovering from the shock since. The oddest part of his presentation was when he congratulated the climate scientists in the room for our success (!) in getting the word out about our problems and our effectiveness (!) in influencing policy. Ray P. was there and spoke for the rest of us that we didn’t feel all that successful or effective. But by comparison to the greenhouse problem, the problem of the death of the ocean remains essentially invisible.

I have never agreed with Gore that global warming is the defining issue of our time. It’s only a facet of the sustainability question. The oceans are another place where we can hide our impact from ourselves. Apparently, with great success.

The years when I was able to attend the U of C geophysics Friday talk series was the most amazing series of lectures I have been privileged to attend, but Jackson’s was a standout. I think he received vigorous applause but you sort of wonder what to do with information like that.

]]> By: tidal http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/comment-page-1/#comment-3801 tidal Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:09:03 +0000 http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/#comment-3801 Like a poster above, I had thoughts of "omfg!" and "wtf? how stupid are we?" when I was that table. I started circulating it to colleagues earlier this week. I was also struck by the multiple assaults we are using to "accomplish" this - from the abstract: "habitat destruction, overfishing, introduced species, warming, acidification, toxins, and massive runoff of nutrients". Nothing there comes as any surprise, but it is just the whole "shock and awe" quality to it. Over at <a href="http://thingsbreak.wordpress.com/2008/08/12/a-case-of-the-mondays/" rel="nofollow">thingsbreak</a> they restate the obvious point that we need a multi-faceted response to our various environmental crises. The pathetic intiatives to-date on GHG mitigation are at least in part due to some sort of collective "it's not so bad, and we've got lots of time" avoidance/denial mechanism. I hope that this kind of stark message from Jeremy Jackson helps snap us out of stupor, finally convince the majority to embark on the radical changes required to redress the planetary emergencies. Like a poster above, I had thoughts of “omfg!” and “wtf? how stupid are we?” when I was that table. I started circulating it to colleagues earlier this week.

I was also struck by the multiple assaults we are using to “accomplish” this – from the abstract: “habitat destruction, overfishing, introduced species, warming, acidification, toxins, and massive runoff of nutrients”. Nothing there comes as any surprise, but it is just the whole “shock and awe” quality to it.

Over at thingsbreak they restate the obvious point that we need a multi-faceted response to our various environmental crises. The pathetic intiatives to-date on GHG mitigation are at least in part due to some sort of collective “it’s not so bad, and we’ve got lots of time” avoidance/denial mechanism. I hope that this kind of stark message from Jeremy Jackson helps snap us out of stupor, finally convince the majority to embark on the radical changes required to redress the planetary emergencies.

]]> By: Dunc http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/comment-page-1/#comment-3800 Dunc Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:47:23 +0000 http://deepseanews.com/2008/08/this-post-might-make-you-cry/#comment-3800 My God... I knew it was bad, but that's just freaking appalling. My God… I knew it was bad, but that’s just freaking appalling.

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